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Ep 114: Training with Newfound Purpose – The Path to Getting Bigger, Faster and Stronger with Jamie Bouziotis

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The majority of our athletes we coach have had success in the past building strength, packing on muscle, or improving their power and endurance; however, putting it all together at the same time (while staying pain-free) never felt attainable. Todayā€™s guest, long-time Rebel client, and strength and conditioning coach at Melbourne Strength Culture down in Australia, Jamie Bouziotis (boo-zee-oh-tis), is a testament to the above. Jamie has been training with us for around two years and is bigger, faster, stronger, and better conditioned than ever before. But it hasn’t always been that way…

Coming from a fighting background, Jamie had numerous injuries and pain holding back his training and felt like he was stuck going through the motions. I wanted to have Jamie on the show this week because I think that’s a story a lot of folks (maybe even you) can relate to… AND I want to show you how we helped him not only get back on track but be better than ever before using tools and strategies like rapid results and feedback, the gamification process, autoregulation, and pinpointing exercise selection.

Listen in to discover the steps we took to help Jamie unlock total package strength, physique, and athleticism so you can implement it in your own training.

 What You’ll Learn in this Episode:

  • [05:46] Jamieā€™s training prior to coming on board with Rebel
  • [06:25] The challenges involved in transitioning from fighting to lifting
  • [09:54] Finding short-term purpose in a long-term process
  • [11:42] Understanding the type of programming enhanced athletes need
  • [14:13] The gamification process of programming
  • [17:20] Benefits of an autoregulation protocol
  • [19:07] The big rocks that separate Rebelā€™s process from others
  • [23:24] Exercise execution and the influence of position
  • [26:38] Why good programming is all through the lens of fatigue management
  • [28:33] The handful of variables for programming a big movement
  • [34:10] Where to find Jamie
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James Cerbie: It’d be really boring otherwise. I don’t know. I have mixed feelings on the whole swearing thing. Right. Because you have some people who are so poo poo on it, but then public facing versus them in a private room are two totally different humans. Right. Because I know plenty of people who look down on you and they kind of Game of Thrones you. If you swear in public, it’s like shame. But then you put them in a back room and there’s no one else around and there are no cameras and they’re just like motherfuck this and shit that, and all this other stuff. Itā€™s kind of fake, dude.

Jamie Bouziotis: Oh, no, I think it’s even like that’s my whole thing now. Just people on social media and I see them in real life. You just see it a bit more. And it’s like, man, I know you’re not like that in person. I’d rather someone be consistently dickhead on Instagram and in person than be a dickhead in real life. And then these absolute saints on Instagram, that’s my whole thing.

James Cerbie: Yeah. Without question. And just be the same person throughout. It just makes things so much easier. But all right, you’re going to pronounce your last name for me, dude, because I still can’t get it for the life of me. So we are sitting down with Jamie. I just call you Jamie. Bouziotis is usually what I call you for short. So how does the last name actually go?

Jamie Bouziotis: That’s what everyone calls me, but the last name is Bouziotis.

James Cerbie: Okay.

Jamie Bouziotis: It’s fairly phonetic. Like everyone looks at it and they get scared and then they just Butcher it. But it’s Bouziotis.

James Cerbie: Yes, it’s pretty literal. It’s pretty much exactly what it looks like.

Jamie Bouziotis: Yes, exactly like in Greek. It’s slightly different, but we’re not speaking in Greek, so we’re all good.

James Cerbie: Thanks dude. And so we wanted to sit down and just chat about some training things today. I think you have a really good story around training and finding purpose in training again so that a lot of people listening to this will be able to relate to whatever reason it is. I think that maybe it’s just anytime you have the turn of a new year and people are reflecting on things. It’s March now, but throughout January and February, I just had a lot of conversations with people. And the thing I kept hearing over and over again is, yeah, dude, I’ve been training, but I’m really just kind of going through the motions. It doesn’t really feel like there’s any purpose to what I’m doing. I’m not really having fun in the gym anymore. And I know you’ve been on board with us now for Christmas. We’re going up on two years pretty close, something like that. We work together for a while when you’re interested more in kind of like a hybrid outcome. And then now you’re with Ryan Lā€™Ecuyer, just getting jacked and swollen, strong as fuck. But yes, I would love to chat about kind of where you are at with your training prior to coming on board at Rebel.

Jamieā€™s Training Prior to Coming on Board with Rebel

Jamie Bouziotis: It probably starts with my athletic history. I used to box, I used to do my tie, and then obviously, what comes along with those sports? There’s some pretty traumatic injuries, depending on who you are. And mine was pretty busted and they were, I guess, career ending injuries because many times I tried to come back, it just didn’t happen. And then after that, I just found it wasn’t the same. Like, training wasn’t the same if it was just for bodybuilding or just for strength. That’s what I found after you come from the chaos of fighting, lifting just isn’t the same for a bit, especially if it’s like, oh, well, if I just train in 20 years, I’ll have a great body, you know what I mean? Like, whereas when you’re half decent fighting, you get to fight and you get almost like an instant, I guess return, really, whether you have a great experience or you get the shit kicked out of you. Either way, it’s good fun. But what I found was after that, I was just spinning my wheels with training. I finished my undergrad in exercise and sports science, and I was working with athletes, which is where I sort of got my fix of sports performance.

But it just didn’t make sense to me, training wise, to train on, like I’m just doing whatever. And I was doing my own programming. And as you’re a fresh sort of exercise and sports science graduate, you try everything, you do everything, and you sort of get nowhere, especially if you’ve got no coach. It’s just that you read this new thing and then the programs completely changed within a week. And I just sort of went nowhere with training for a little bit, half between, well, it’s not fighting and it’s half training, so whatever. So I just spun my wheels, did nothing for a little while. Getting a coach was probably better for enhanced athletes at the time. I just wasn’t smart enough in terms of personal responsibility, load management, standpoint again, just hurting myself, especially after what I put my body through after 15 years of fighting. It just wasn’t the way to train. For me, insane that some people would respond really well, but for me, where I was at my athletic and lifting career, it just wasn’t suited to me. 

The Challenges Involved in Transitioning from Fighting to Lifting

Then from there, I think again, I just spun my wheels for a bit because I was hurt. And then I started seeing more of this sort of like, hybrid focused stuff. It was Alex Viata to start. He was probably the first influence. I’m like, well, I really like the conditioning aspect of boxing and running and doing things like that. I guess the experience of feeling fit, aerobically fit is just something about it to me. And it was either do I go to the full because I know he’s very like marathon Triathlon, like hard Triathlon and stuff like that and balancing that with hard air powerlifting. And that did appeal to me. But at the same time I was looking more at the old realm performance blogs, seeing who you would have on there. Pat D, Michelle Boland We were very almost like when we started, were very princed as well, understanding position and influence and movement and how that affects length potential relationships and just overall, I guess improved sensation in a movement without the accompanying effect of just feeling better all the time. And we’re like, well, it works for our clients. I like that influence on my lifting, but then also people that understand conditioning and power development, plyometric development, and it seemed like a good fit to go with you.

Finding Short-Term Purpose in a Long-Term Process

And that’s when I started with performance and that’s really where I started. I had a couple of coaches in the past, but I really found, I don’t know you guys between you and Ryan as well. Now there were ways of finding short term purpose in that long term process. You know what I mean? I feel like in training and especially in the era of Instagram influencers and then people just reading a couple of books, everyone’s like, It’s the process, trust the process and the outcome will happen. They’re like, man, fucking fitness is a long term pursuit. I don’t know if I can just think about what’s going to happen in 20 years, you know what I mean? As much as that sweet. And I can really respect that sentiment. Like, fuck that, man. Like short term. I don’t know. Humans like non delayed gratification, that feels good, but we need instant gratification as well. And by instant nailing the short term goal in four weeks and six weeks and that will drive the long term outcome. And I think you guys understood that really well and that helped a lot for me. The goal setting process, everything now, fuck goals or whatever.

No men, they help. And I just found that that really helped me. I found a short term purpose within my training. There’s sort of many goals that sort of just like every time I knock one down, it would lead me towards this bigger goal. Whether it was more of that hybrid sort of athlete or whether it’s now where I’m trying to get as jacked and as juicy as possible, that’s where I’m at now. And I found you guys.

Understanding the Type of Programming Enhanced Athletes Need

James Cerbie: Well, nice, man, awesome. I think there are a couple of things there that are really important to point out. I think one and this is something I don’t think a lot of people understand unless they’re really in the game because you’re a strength coach yourself. So you kind of understand this thing and the whole enhanced athlete aspect. There are some really good coaches out there, but you have to remember that most of what they’re coaching are enhanced athletes. And so when we say enhanced, it means we’re bringing Pharmaceuticals, testosterone, insulin, and other things to the table. And a lot of times their programming kind of relies and needs that pharmacological aid because of the volume and intensity and the meat grinder you get put through. And then I think the hybrid athlete thing is really important because our general viewpoint at Rebel is that if you’re a human, you’re an athlete and I want to train you that way. Right. And so for us, it always comes down to those five core attribute bars. Strength, perjury, power, endurance, movement, quality. At the end of the day, I want you to have all five of those.

They’re attribute bars, though, so we can figure out which ones we want to focus and prioritize. We can hold others, but we’re just not the team to come to. If you’re like, put these other three on zero. Just put these two as high as we can go. That’s just not really our jam or what we do. And similar to the Alex Vada thing, I remember he came and gave a presentation. I don’t think I was still interning at Cressy’s, but he came to give a presentation there, and I did like what he was doing. But I’m pretty similar to you in the sense I don’t really have any interest in training, like, to the very far extremes of just being as strong as possible in three lifts and then going to run marathons. I can totally respect and appreciate that. I think it’s super impressive to people that do it, but I really like more of an athletic field. I want to be able to lift heavy. Who doesn’t want to be Jackson juicy. I still want to be able to jump. I want to be able to sprint. I want to be able to throw.

And yeah, I still want to have work capacity and endurance and move well. So I’m not paid. That was the second thing. Third thing that’s really important is the gratification bit. And it really frustrates me when I see people online who just poo poo that because I think, like you mentioned, right. Like, it’s a long term game. Just like, shut your mouth and just Slam your face against this brick wall for the next six months and maybe you’ll see a PR. Otherwise you’re just soft and you’re a coward and blah.

Jamie Bouziotis: Blah, blah, blah, blah.

The Gamification Process of Programming

James Cerbie: And it’s just so dumb, right? That’s not part of being a human. The percentage of the population that is capable of doing that is so, so small. The vast majority of people, myself included, I want to see tangible progress every four to six weeks. If I’m not seeing objective, tangible progress every four to six weeks, I start to lose interest pretty quickly. And so that’s where we talk about this all the time. So we don’t want to really dive into that here as much as the gamification process of programming is so outrageously important so that the athlete gets buy-in so they experience results really fast and so they have fun because at the end of the day that matters a very big deal.

Jamie Bouziotis: 100%. Oh man, just wins. Like constant wins. But people feel good when they’re winning. It’s literally as simple as that. I think it’s past that sort of stay hard sort of thing. I don’t know. It is definitely like that grind tech culture now just the way it is. Like grind hard, baby. Like ten years, you’ll fucking rent. But I don’t know, it just doesn’t work like that. Especially from a strength coach, as in the client retention standpoint. I look at it for me, at the end of the day I’m a strength coach, but I’m a client to you guys. But you know, as a coach, when a client is sort of like just drifting, I don’t know, I’ve seen it before with clients and like this guy needs some sort of purpose because you see everything. The checking quality goes down. When they check in, you can tell they’re flat and what they write or even send an audio message. Like they just don’t care as much training. Like it’s coasting, but there’s no sort of urgency, there’s no drive to want to take it to the next level and that’s the majority of people to fit everyone in this thing.

It’s like, man, just stick with me for ten years, bro. Just trust me. It’s like, what the fuck could I do that I’m paying you now? Because at the end of the day you’re paying someone for a service, you’re probably going to want to see results in one way or another. Yeah, you’re not going to pack on ten kilos of lean body mass, but that’s the beauty of the stream. You can make some pretty cool games and movements, especially if it’s something novel and fairly quick. Yeah, it’s a weird attitude in strength coaching to have, but I don’t know, I think that at the end of the day, client retention is number one more than anything else. So if you can make your clients happy, obviously within reason, I feel like because I write about this sometimes on my Instagram or whatever else. And it’s like, no, I’m not saying just please your clients in a way that is just to make them happy and introduce novelty for the sake of it. I’m not saying that at all. It’s not that. It really isn’t that. But in saying that someone that’s sort of happy and doing things they enjoy are going to train harder, I train harder, they’re probably going to have better results.

Benefits of an Autoregulation Protocol

James Cerbie: Yeah, I’ve got a guy with me right now. We’re on week six or seven and he’s PRā€™ing every week. Essentially. It’s a really fun twelve week program that we put together for them. And so we tested in some five rep maxes in addition to a bunch of other more like power endurance things. Right. And then we’re using an autoregulation protocol with them. And it’s such a fun one to watch because we’re in week six, maybe seven right now and he’s already above his five rep Max testing and he’s doing it for more reps. So literally every time this dude steps in the gym, he PRs.

And it’s like he’s having a fantastic time. He’s loving life. He’s like, this is fantastic. He’s like, this is so much fun for me. Right. So that sort of progress is doable. And then you can also chunk training down and show people those wins. I think Ryan, we’ve talked about this before. Ryan does a really good job with this where he’ll have you take the heaviest load you used and say week two of a four week micro cycle and then a rapid and even like just those little Nuggets are great because you’re like, well, on week two, I knew how heavy this was for eight and I just did it for twelve. I got better. Right. And being able to bleed those things into the program, I think are so hugely important. It’s a kind of transition. I would love to know, having worked with both me and Ryan and then being a strength coach yourself and having worked with other coaches and I think you talking about yourself in your early 20s was literally describing my wife from when I was 22 to the time I was probably 24, 25. I changed stuff. Like every probably two to three weeks.

I just tried everything under the sun. Not great for my progress as an athlete, but it did help me become a better coach. I’d be curious to know what are some of the big rock things we’ve done with you and programming that are different than what you’ve seen in other programs you’ve done that you really liked, that you’ve kind of maybe taken for yourself and started to use with your own clients or I really just kind of looking for those differentiating factors so people listening can maybe try to pull some of those things out for themselves.

The Big Rocks That Separate Rebelā€™s Process from Others

Jamie Bouziotis: Yeah. I think probably the first one that comes to mind is definitely the use of frequent Am wraps. I’m just going to use my previous programming as an example. And then how it’s changed because I think that’s probably going to indicate a bit more like we’re big proponents of the use of RPE and autoregulation, like Matthew, Mike Sushira is like our God. The gym I’m at is very powerful. Like the other boys are very powerless in focus, and they are coached by Brett Gibbs, guys that were under Mike to share a very hard year’s focus. Now, the biggest issue obviously, with RP, is someone’s I guess need or want, not even need or want, just their inability to gauge intensity the way they should really like everyone’s a chronic under shooter in one way or another. Yeah. You get your random over shooter here and there that decides to send the SBD more than often. Usually it’s an accessory to get out of the shop. And it’s almost like you look at it from a coaching standpoint. But how do you tell someone you think they’re not training hard enough without pissing them off? And it’s probably an error.

That’s probably the way to do it. But you can’t do that all the time and you can’t just fucking throw randomly. And that’s where I really like Ryan out of AMRAP weeks. And I’m pretty sure with you it was a while ago now, but he would like, get me to do an AMRAP. It wasn’t weekly. It definitely wasn’t weekly.

James Cerbie: But it was like it’s like every four weeks it usually is like my flow is kind of like you have four weeks and then week four or week five. It kind of depends on the feedback from the athlete. Do we have more room to go here or are we kind of tapping out of this cycle? I like to throw that week four, week five. Sometimes it gets to week six, but that’s pretty rare. That just becomes a peak week. Right. And that’s where it’s like, okay, cool. And wrap time. Here we go.

Jamie Bouziotis: Yeah. And I think obviously it’s great to see progress, but I really like it for just calibration and intensity gauge. I think it’s great. And then from there and it’s like that whole argument, like prescribe loads or RP, as always, with fitness, it’s somewhere in the middle ground. I think it’s fantastic. Not only are you quantifying progress straight off the bat in the short term period, fantastic. You’re calibrating intensity and then you’re not wasting any fucking time when you go from the next block, from the current block to the next block in week one. You know what I mean? Like, you’ve got a number to shoot for. It’s not. All right, well, I’ve got this movement few warm up sets, which takes fucking ages to try and figure out how was my RP on that? Is it okay now let’s maybe go up a little bit heavy and it’s that whole dance like, no, block one. You only need to do that once, block one. And then the other times would be when you get a completely new movement. Well, now you got block one and block two, and you know exactly what you’re doing.

That would probably be my biggest thing. And it’s just a cool way of dealing. And everyone just reloads, like a lot of the time. The most common I see is just an intensity deal for a lot of people. I drop the RP down hard, but I feel the issue with that going from one block to the next is just that confidence of dealing with heavy weight so that you go into the next block and it takes a few weeks to get that confidence under heavyweight again. Whereas keeping intensity high and day loading volume, I found not only do I feel fresher going into the week, one of the next blocks, but the confidence to keep moving, that heavyweight is still there. I don’t know. I’m a big fan of it. I’m a big fan of doing it. I don’t you think that’s going to fuck someone? Like physically? No picky crowd. And then you guys are dealing with obviously people that lived well, you know what I mean? At no point have I felt unsafe doing an Am wrap. It’s never felt like it’s never been a concern for me. You know what I mean? It’s been fine.

So that’s definitely, I would say the biggest thing that I’ve implemented and used quite frequently with my own clients, and just the reports I get from everyone are fantastic. So that’s probably the biggest thing in terms of just feeling good and in terms of exercise execution, just the influence of position. Like, I was doing that with my own clients prior to getting coached by you guys. But just in terms of not everything has to be pure output because that’s what cooks people. And it’s like you can still drive output with some of these movements, like a split squat with a hip shift. But you’re probably looking for some different things, you know what I mean? Not everything has to be extension heavy, dumbbell pressing with full scaffold traction and chest in the sky sort of thing. And just using that position across everything, you’re probably going to have better probably because we’ve copied it for using the stack. For some reason, you’re probably going to have better outcomes from a stimulus. It’s a whole marketing stimulus to fatigue ratio, like fatigue. Probably a little bit less fatigued by not driving output from accessory musculature as much.

And then just really trying to have that targeted stimulus just by way better position lengthens relationships. That’s probably it. And people are like, oh, well, it’s just squat where we’re trying to build better pressure. Probably do it for your cable flies, man. You’ll probably still feel better. You know what I mean? That would be up there as well with how it works. My programming like, it’s not just squatting deadlift where we’re trying to brace better, but everything.

Exercise Execution and the Influence of Position

James Cerbie: Yeah. The way that you set up and execute every movement all feeds into itself. Right. There’s never a point in time where we’re not thinking about how we do a better job setting up and executing this exercise. And I think one of the things you mentioned is really important that we have mentioned on here before. I think part of the reason that we’re really successful with these Am wrap sets is because of the fact that we’re really smart with how we do our exercise selection for the accessories. Right. It’s like, I’m not going to AMRAP you on a squat bench, deadlift, something huge, and then go towards you with all this big bilateral stuff afterwards, right. There’s a song and dance here. It’s like we’re trying to be a sniper. We pick our spots and then, okay, if you just got smoked by an AMRAP on a big output movement, then we know that we’re not going to be able to get as much out of accessories. I always really like that split and training of you have to have your output movements. They have to be there. I hate when people pull those things out because then you just get soft and unathletic and nobody likes that.

Right. But you don’t need to have output movement, output movement, output movement, output movement, and training day to make progress. Pick your spots. Right. Two big output movements, maybe. And then we can go into some accessory stuff that’s maybe more unilateral, more position based, and it’s going to be inherently load capped that way. And I always think of it as I just think that creates such a nice flywheel effect where these two things really feed into each other so nicely. It’s like just from a stress and a fatigue management standpoint, it makes a lot of sense. But then when we have these accessory exercises that get you moving better, feeling better, managing position better, that just allows you to get more out of your big lifts. Right. And we just get this really nice feedback that takes place to where every week we’re getting more and more out of that big lift. And the big lift is the thing that’s going to drive the most adaptation for the most people anyways, right?

Why Good Programming is All Through the Lens of Fatigue Management

Jamie Bouziotis: I think it’s the one that good programming is all through the lens of fatigue management. I work on stage, the gym. He thinks everything comes down to three principles, specificity fatigue management and phase potentiation, really. So I think from an exercise selection standpoint, literally fatigue management, like, how are we getting the most out of our athletes? By way of setting up a session, setting up a training week and setting up a training block. And I think exercise selection is definitely a big part of that. Like you can’t just bilateral extension heavy every single movement, you know what I mean? That is fantastic for moving big weights and squat, bench and deadlift, but I think that subjective experience is a big thing as well. So by the fourth or fifth exercise, you feel fucking trashed, like your output is going to drop off. So the stimulus is going to drop off. So that is to me, I think it’s inefficient or I wouldn’t say it’s junk, but it’s leaning towards junk volume, you know what I mean? So if you’re improving the quality in the back end of your sessions, they’re harder sets, they’re better sets.

It’s more progress, really. But I definitely think it definitely is. You know what I mean, that’s where I’m at on that. So I agree because yeah.

The Handful of Variables for Programming a Big Movement

James Cerbie: We’re not really getting much better if there’s not quality there. That’s where I think that a lot of times there’s an argument to be made for inverting sets and reps. So we’re getting the same amount of total volume in the same amount of time, but the quality of each of those reps is significantly higher. That’s where I think those auto regulation protocols and tactics make a lot of sense because we are getting the most quality, the most bang for our buck in any given day based on where that person is at walking in the gym. Right. And just super quick primer on the autoregulation stuff in my mind when I write these right, there are a handful of variables when I’m programming for a big movement sets, reps, load, and rest time. Those are kind of the big four, right? You can throw tempos in there if you want to. We’ll leave that out. If we just think of those big four rest times, I will probably never question Mark, but I will question Mark one of the other three. Usually in a program, I’m going to question Mark your sets, I’m going to question Mark your reps, or I’m going to question Mark the load.

And I can manipulate those three things in a lot of different ways. But as a coach, it just makes so much more sense to me because I know that I’m getting the most out of that athlete on that day. I think this is not to say that linear periodization and percentage schemes don’t work. They 1000% do their 100% work. But I just think for most human beings that are not professional athletes where their entire life revolves around just eating, sleeping and training, right, where we have all these other real life things that concern ourselves with jobs and relationships and maybe a family and kids and all this other stuff. It’s kind of outrageous for me to sit down and try to chart out this beautiful percentage wave for twelve to 16 weeks and be like, well, by the time you get to week ten, this is where we’re going to be on this percentage wave, you should be feeling really good. Meanwhile, it’s like maybe in week seven or eight they got into a huge argument, their spouse or things are really stressful at work and all of a sudden things just start going to shit.

It’s just the percentage thing. I think it can definitely work. I’m not going to say it doesn’t work. It just doesn’t seem like the best strategy to use to give people the biggest likelihood of success because then we have to start reworking things. We’ve got to think about how we want to change this? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Granted, I still do use percentages, but I think of them in much shorter time periods and like a twelve to 16 week percentage wave just because I’ve had too many people that get six weeks in and then we’re having to throw it out because of life stuff, which is totally reasonable.

Jamie Bouziotis: I’m not a big evidence guy. Like, evidence based guy, to be honest with you. Like, I don’t know a few people that left fucking bad taste in my mouth just calling myself evidence based. But there’s a few papers out there I like narrative reviews and shit. I don’t think they are solid. But John Keely, he breaks it down, period. I’m sort of dead. You know what I mean? Just by way of understanding stress, I don’t know. I just think it’s sort of done. Like, it just doesn’t make sense from a percentage standpoint. What we know about stress, how people respond, how it’s not just physical. It doesn’t make sense for it to be a twelve to 16 week mapped out program that top down, whereas, like, order regulations bottom up. His mind, I think, is too good for strength and conditioning. But the way that he does it. No, it’s fucking not easy. He cares about both. Like, there’s this intertwined. You understand that you’re up. This phase leads to the next phase in this phase. And if there’s athletic competition, obviously that’s punctuated by different points in the training year. But shit happens. So that’s where the bottom up comes in.

If an athlete is training three times a week, sports training or you’ve got your athlete, it’s just lifting. But life happens. You’re probably going to see emerging of both top down and bottom up. Like, it’s not one or the other, but more often than not, life happens a lot. So shit happens. And that’s why I think water regulation is the fucking way.

James Cerbie: We should wrap up. That’s a good way to wrap this. That. And by the way, I think that we also if this has to exist, I got to Google this and we wrap up here. Like, somebody has had to have made a Jack and Juicy T shirt. If that doesn’t exist, that needs to happen immediately. I’m just going to type this into Google here real quick and see what comes up. So the first thing that comes up when you’re Jacked and Juicy, the hose get loosey. That’s so good. Oh, man, I found a Jack and Juicy pre-workout. Okay. We’re clearly not the first to really stumble upon this idea. Robert Frank here. Yeah. When you’re jacked in Juicy, he has a T-shirt. Okay. Good to see people are out in front of this.

Jamie Bouziotis: He likes rhymes about chest day and shit like that. People have sent me some of these videos.

James Cerbie: Thank you so much for coming on. Everybody listening, I hope that you were able to pull some Nuggets and things that you can go and take and try and use in your own training. And then, Jimmy, where can people go to find you? To find Melbourne strength culture because you guys have so much good stuff going on out there in Australia.

Where to Find Jamie

Jamie Bouziotis: Yeah so just my Instagram is just Jamie Bouziotis and then the gym that I work at is Melbourne strength culture. We just hammer content at the moment. It’s less pure fitness content anymore. We used to do that quite a bit but now it’s more just training is fun, life should be fun and I think that a solid gym and a solid coach should probably reflect that. That’s where we’re at now. So if you want to have a look at things that aren’t your typical fitness content then maybe suck that out.

James Cerbie: Awesome. I love it and we will throw all of that in the show notes for you guys and gals. Thank you always for tuning in peeps and I hope you guys have a fantastic rest of your week. Alright talk soon.

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